NC Pension Fund Fees Approach $500 Million
Andy Silton does the math and reports that fees for the pension fund are approaching $500 Million.
Just so we are clear here, that's $500,000,000.
So what are we getting for all these fees? Apparently not a whole lot of extra performance - which is no surprise to anyone who believes that markets are pretty efficient (they are).
Silton points out that otherwise the fund is in good health - which is good, but that doesn't make wasting hundreds of millions of dollars a year any less bad.
The question we should ask then is "how much should these fees be?"
I'd answer that for such a huge portfolio, 0.1% of assets is a good start, as I can pay only 0.18% for $3000 with Vanguard and it seems reasonable to assume that $90 billion would get some sort of discount.
So assuming $90 billion in the fund, 0.1% fee would yield $90 million in fees. But even if you go with the Vanguard fee of 0.18%, we're still only looking at $162 million. That's $338 million less that what we are paying.
Just so we are clear here, that's $500,000,000.
So what are we getting for all these fees? Apparently not a whole lot of extra performance - which is no surprise to anyone who believes that markets are pretty efficient (they are).
Silton points out that otherwise the fund is in good health - which is good, but that doesn't make wasting hundreds of millions of dollars a year any less bad.
The question we should ask then is "how much should these fees be?"
I'd answer that for such a huge portfolio, 0.1% of assets is a good start, as I can pay only 0.18% for $3000 with Vanguard and it seems reasonable to assume that $90 billion would get some sort of discount.
So assuming $90 billion in the fund, 0.1% fee would yield $90 million in fees. But even if you go with the Vanguard fee of 0.18%, we're still only looking at $162 million. That's $338 million less that what we are paying.
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